[Interviewer:] But you say, you know, we're recording.

We'll just start again at that. Could you explain about that situation with them?

Yeah, just we don't have the background with that, uh,

situation there with them, right there.

[Mark:] I believe there were troops. The troop that complicates it specifically, there was a potential agent actually that complicates it, to ask

in the test whether we had 5G.

5G at time in the public's mind in the BBC. So obviously if you're, let's see, not ..

if you don't interrogate either the science or the technical parameters of 5G,

most people would believe that 5G operates in higher frequency millimeter waves.

Right. It does but that's only part of it. It's blanket coverage is in the sub gigahertz range.

It's a scanner and how you can scan higher frequency waveforms are extremely problematic to look through

concrete brick work, right. What you can't see in the urban environment is the sub gigahertz frequency, and that's why

when after this got exercised I thought

jeez this is strange, what they're doing is they're scanning us. And that antenna there ...

that picture, that antenna, that's a scanner. And when one of the Leyton guys threw this at me,

up there is a DEW. It's a direct energy

collimator. It's called a dielectric lens and that allows you to

direct microwave radiation signal at your target. Now that target as we know from

South Korea is actually why it's bought.

The IEEE permit for 5G

is an autonomous vehicle because that's 4G, right.

That's inverse-square law.

That's when you radiate away from the radiator

there's actually, there's a drop off in radiation. That is a collimated signal and how you collimate that

specifically, you use a phased array to do that

and that is specifically from those type of antenna designs. And those antenna designs are illegal, unlawful.

They have no purpose in a civilian setting and they wouldn't ever been used to target,

Barrie, will know, people in buildings, through buildings.

[Interviewer:] So Barrie, what's the latest of 5G and what's, um, a

little bit of feedback from you on what Mark's said?

[Barrie:] I mean the only way to definitively prove

what's coming out of these transmitters,

the industry, I have known the industry the same as Mark has, for many many years.

And if anything they are very very good liars.

I say it as it is. I've known them lie. I've known them be responsible for deaths.

They will disguise

anything to look like anything.

So the only way to definitively

prove for a court of law is to have a full range spectrometer

with the pulse frequencies

without telling them when you're going

because they'll turn it off if they know you're going.

Have a full-range spectrometer and say "there you are. That is within the 5G range."

Because they will say "Oh, well it isn't. It's at the very fringe of 4G" or the very fringe of this or something.

But I mean all you need to do is get a decent spectrometer

for the 5G. Only you're basically going from

sort of a millimeter up to nine millimeters really.

You get a spectrometer and say "There it is. That is in the 5g range". So what I did

when I knew you were coming, Mark,

and you'll have to forgive me because I don't know what you know and what you don't know.

[Mark:] Yeah.

[Barrie:] I just prepared some notes that you can take with you and

I thought if I were Mark doing this talk,

like you I have friends all over the world

who send me information, bits of information and

what I did yesterday I

collated all of, not all, but a lot of the important stuff I have on 5G.

You will have to believe me when I say I have

documentary evidence for what I'm saying because there's several hundred research articles there.

I have documentary evidence for what I say and

and I thought what I'll do is write this out without insulting your intelligence.

I've written it out in Janet and John so when you're talking to people who are not physicists

they can understand.

And I thought I'll just take ten minutes to go through it.

And then you can come back at me. Is that alright with you?

[Mark:] Sure. Absolutely.

[Barrie:] You can take this with you. [Yeah, yeah.] It's copyright free obviously. You can take it with you.

And I just thought I'd run through this and then you can use

any sentences or any bits and throw them into your talk as well. [Yeah.] Or not, you know.

This is what the evidence I have.

Pulsed microwaves were used to cause harm way back in 1949. That's documented.

Both neurological and physiological harm.

In 1972, which is the first I can go back to

5G was used as a weapon. It was used for crowd control, again to cause

neurological and physiological harm. That that goes back to '72.

In 1997, it was further developed. It was developed over those years, but then in

1997, 1 to 35 gigahertz was introduced as a better

crowd control weapon.

5G in this country tends to start at 28 gigahertz according to my knowledge

So you're well in the 5g band there, 1 to 35 gigahertz.

Again, used as crowd control.

In 1990 President Reagan

initiated "sleeping beauty" which was to microwave people

mainly when they weren't realized they were being microwaved

and in between '72 and '97 you had done "operation pandora" that was again

run on thousands, tens of thousands of people that again was a big successful microwave weapons system.

[Mark:] Was it a population subdue, psychologically subdue, program, Barrie?

[Barrie:] You could do anything with Pandora. Anything at all.

In 1963, this is interesting and it's just for the conspiracy theorists, but I think there's something in this.

In 1963, President Kennedy gave a talk to

I think it's Columbia University and he specifically, his talk was on

microwaves causing harm and preventing

what we have now the systems and he said "I am going to stop this.

I'm not going to have microwave weapons. I'm not going to have microwaves in the population."

The following week he was shot.

How's that coincidence?

[Mark:] Absolutely.

[Barrie:] The World Health Organization experts

[Mark:] Put that loosely Barrie, by the way, loosely.

[Barrie:] Yeah, the World Health Organization adviser

actually came out and said "stop 5G".

I've got some names of them. The World Health Organization advisor said "stop 5G"

Then it was known to kill birds, cattle, tadpoles, insects.

350 environmental organizations from 96 countries have said "stop 5G"

The californian firefighters, I've had a lot to do with,

California firefighters have an exemption from 5G.

It's the legal Bill 649 and the firefighters are exempt from 5g

because service complicated dangers to their health.

UK, I've got the 5g frequencies: 28, 38, 60, 72, 73 gigahertz

running either edge of those.

Transmitters about every 150 meters give or take. There's a new weapon just been brought out

called "active denial" its nickname is "the growler".

I know it is just above the 5G range

but it is in 5G. It's above what they are putting out from the lampposts

but it is still in the 5G range. It's 95 gigahertz and

I do know from military people

that this it was tested on Special Forces and it just brought them straight to their knees.

So at this point 5G has been used as a weapon

for crowd control by governments and still is.

A professor of medicine has said that

nature has no defense against 5G or

in fact the other Gs but they're all going to be mixed

together anyway.

Professor, emeritus professor Martin Pall, you would have heard of him

[Mark:] Yeah I know of him.

[Barrie:] I gave a talk with him in the States, I shared a platform with him.

Three fold damage to the sperm and the egg

phased array constructive interference and he confirms

that some insects that have a high surface area to volume ratio

would be

specifically damaged by this. A lot of people are coming up with that.

For humans

and I agree with this

from my own

physiological training

it's going to affect the eyes of humans quite a lot and I agree with him when he says it will cause cataracts,

retina problems, glaucoma, macular degeneration and kidney problems.

A Professor from Sussex University

has said putting 5G on all the lampposts, which is what they're doing, [Yeah.]

will cause basically an insect

Armageddon

because insects

hover around lampposts

and with their surface area to volume ratio

they will not survive it.

There are already papers showing this.

5G has to be compliant because it has to be linked,

as it is in other countries, it has to be linked to all radar systems

Wi-Fi, smart meters, hospital equipment,

it's going to be in the internet of things so they all have to be compatible with each other.

So you're not just getting 5G you're getting all of the other Gs and

Wi-Fi all thrown into one.

Interestingly

from what I can gather the calculations for 5G are time averaged and

the data is

around a hundred times greater than 4G that's being sent

but interestingly from what I can gather

it certainly is in other countries the,

what they're saying for safety level, is actually time averaged.

Now to explain that forgive me

to explain that if I fired a gun by your ear

the crack of the cordite explosion, that the crack would be

lets say a 50th of a second and would be dangerous.

If I time average it over a second

then I divide that by 50 and the number comes down and I'll say well look it isn't dangerous

because I've averaged it over a second. And in fact now it's below the safety level so

It's just, in fact I think there are 13 that I came across

mathematical ways to show it is safe. This is just one of them so they are time averaged.

Now the rollouts has already started in Vienna and as it started,

I don't if you know this, but it started in Vienna for 5G

the unsuspecting people

immediately

had or suffered from nosebleeds, cardiac problems, heart problems, chest pains,

fatigue, dizziness, vomiting.

In fact, all of these symptoms of microwave sickness that I've known from since

1932 that's been published.

Now the interesting one, I don't know if you know this not

and you're taking this with you anyway [Yeah] the USSR

actually experimented on humans and animals with 5G.

They actually carried out experiments in 1977 with 5G.

And we go back to '72 as well and '97.

Now we got 70-something. This was like proper military experiments.

The humans suffered metabolic problems in other words, just everything started to fall apart;

blood problems, the immune system started to dysfunction and you had

severe medical and neurological problems with humans.

The animals, they noticed because you can't dissect humans but they can with the animals,

well they may have dissect humans I don't know,

but the animals

they found the bone marrow

was suffering, which of course produces the immune system,

respiration was damaged, the enzyme activity was damaged, the nuclear DNA was damaged,

but the total exposure time was only 15 hours over 60 days.

So you're only talking about roughly 15 minutes a day, and the the the levels were not high not

as high as you're gonna get in a classroom or with all the other stuff,

and that's only over 60 days.

So it has been used as a weapon. It has been tested experimentally

on animals and humans. So all of the people are right when they're saying

it's going to make you ill.

And I've said this but 5G has to have

megahertz frequencies to comply with other transmitters and receivers.

Also, it has to have in other countries, I haven't seen it for this

but I know it has to have it, the low gigahertz frequencies.

I do know that in some countries when I've looked at the lists

you have as many as 22 different

frequencies when it's fully functional because it has to comply with all of the other things

and it will be added to

Wi-Fi, 2-3-4G, smart meters,

so it's going to be the internet of things. And I thought I'd just go on to

it's compliance with smart meters, which is actually quite frightening

Because I just made a few notes again from documents I have

each smart meter has to have two transmitters:

one low frequency to go into the house to talk to the refrigerator and the telly and all the other things, and

one to reach the main transmitter.

So each smart meter has two transmitters. In fact, I had a lady ring me just two days ago and who's

daughters are terribly sick now, and in her house, which is just three flats

they have three smart meters in the one house.

So each house may have up to around 15 appliances.

Each group of houses, a small group, it goes from 500 to 5,000 houses in a mesh.

Now when you start looking at the maths at this ...

Like a little group of tower blocks on a big estate

you can have as many as 5,000 smart meters, no problem, as many as 3

if you've got people sharing a house.

5,000 smart meters, 2 smart meters, ah, 2 transmitters for each smart meter

so you've got a 1,000 smart meters, sorry, five, 10,000 smart meters,

5,000 houses

10,000 smart meters in a small area transmitting,

or 10,000 transmitters, each of them

15 transmitters per house. So when you do the maths here

in one reasonably-sized Council estate

you can have up to a 150,000 transmitters.

150,000 and they are producing mostly the 5G waveforms and Wi-Fi (2.4 gigahertz)

which is a known weapons frequency. And just to round it off, I wrote here that

it's known in the military and published but Stanford Research Institute California

did their own experiments and said the two most dangerous frequencies for living structures

living cellular structures, which is all of nature ... basically trees, animals, insects, us ...

is the Wi-Fi frequency 2.4 gigahertz and 0.95 gigahertz.

The two most lethal frequencies.

And finally Dr. Annie Sasco here, 22 years in the World Health Organization cancer department

has basically said that all of this will cause cancer.

[Mark:] Absolutely.

[Barrie:] No questions then. Those were just the notes I made which can be referenced

and you're welcome to use any of that.

[Mark:] Thanks, Barrie, appreciate that.

[Interviewer:] One quick question I would have gone ask, briefly describe your background, Mark, Barrie.

[Mark:] My background, I worked on a super weapsons site in northern Scotland for 2 or 3 years.  We worked with very very heavy

heavy equipment in those days, this was in the eighties and

of course that's something I still can't talk a lot about. [Oh yeah]

The ... but then I went in the oil and gas industry

but I worked in a sub sea centre where I actually built the sub sea -- actually physically built the weapons,

targetting rigs to do the target testing for the torpedo project of BAE Systems Marconi

carried out so I chose the aids that I'll actually am.

The, um, so I've had a really in... that's the most I've had a significant interest...

As for what I actually did, I invented all of my products to mitigate these weapon systems that you talked about on the battle space.

What I invented in particular was wave gauge, optical wave gauge so they can capsulate

helmet systems to protect the eyes from these weapon systems on our battle space.

So for pilots helmets a number of patents say I've got on my weapons site system patents.

The bit of information I brought for you, Barrie, today

this is the technology that's being fitted in Gateshead. It's Harvard Technology.

That company has recently been taken in administration.

This was a government set up quango. You said something quite interesting before.

These people are deceivers.

So what they do, they put something in the mainstream like

5 gigahertz this is what everybody is interested in. They made it "5 gigahertz".

"5 gigahertz" isn't "5G".

5G is a weapon.  5 gigahertz is a telecom signal frequency.

And this just shows the deception and the deceit of these people.

But this is leaf notes document and as you'll see there

this is the antenna and what it actually states there is it's capable of backhauling.

"Backhauling" for laypersons, it means spying. It spies on every device in your home and one of the

people who came to Gateshead to specifically tell the world that we

didn't have 5G, which we must certainly do because we have Harvard Technology fitted,

it states in this document here from that chap

the parameter for 5G is for backhauling.

It's a bit of a line there Barrie [yup], right. So he admits that 5G is backhauling.

It's one of the technical parameters for 5G.

[Interviewer:] Could you read it out from the paper?

[Mark:] What's that?

[Interviewer:] Just for the viewers?

It's a little bit small, John, I don't think you can see that.

This is Harvard Technology kipple backhaul. This is the antenna that was stated that it was

only for switching lights on and off. Well this is what this antenna is capable of.

Smart city services controlling and monitoring such

applications, this is from Harvard, as pollution.

So can actually look in the environment, scan it's own environment,

parking so you can see where your car is, winter maintenance so you can see how much snow is on the ground,

smart waste - this where it can interrogate your bin, and

flood detection so much you see how much is on the ground, how much water.

But what is really interesting, because this is a specific

technical parameter 5G, capable of backhauling data from a multitude, as Barrie just mentioned before,

multitude of devices in the built-up environment, leaf note small city. That is what ...

that is and that is what was hidden on what what looked like dipole antenna.

So the antennas on the LED streetlights in Gateshead. That's what's hidden underneath.

Hidden under what looks to a layperson as a dipole antenna.

That's 5G. That's a 5G antenna and the people who made that statement

unfortunately, it still being used by industry to try and discredit

me and discredit the veracity of the fact that we've had 5G.

As Barrie said before 5G's been used for many many years on the battle space.

That's how I knew in the sub gigahertz range in particular

it was actually for long range radar and I thought hang on a minute

scanning it's environment, scanning through people's homes.

Obviously that's what the backhaul and the spying and all the rest of it, and the sickness and the illness.

So this equipment was certainly the 5G part of the tie-up.

So let's dispel the

the myth that was unfortunately perpetrated by people who are supposed to be on our side and was actually

used by industry only last week.

We had three industry, a guy from EME who's part of the small city chop-your-trees-down autonomous vehicle EME and

another guy from one of the other telecoms companies all using this

narrative, this narrative that came from Benre to try and discredit the fact that we have 5G

As Barrie said before

5G has been here for a significant number of years. 5G, as far as I know,

fact, was started to be ruled out in Gateshead alone in 2011.

2011-2012 this equipment came to Gateshead. I didn't know until it was September 2016

when the LED streetlights because this was really a personal report.

The architecture, the equipment that

5G is being attached to is actually LED streetlights.

Those LED streetlights are also part of a weapon system.

What I mean by that pulse modulated terahertz range lights can be

extremely hazardous.

The blue phosphor coated. This is really interesting and everybody must listen to this.

PHE professor John O'Hagan has stated that the LED pulse modulated blue phosphor coated LED streetlights are a risk.

They are a risk to biology. They are a risk to children. They are a risk to eyesight, etc.

[Interviewer:] This is Public Health?

Public Health England. You have AMA, American Medical Association, stating the same.

You've got ANSI stating the same. In SCHEER the

emerging risk team in Europe stating that flicker pulse modulation on these LED streetlights is

is risky. Now ask yourself the question

why are your local authorities at speed

rushing this technology out on top of you when Exeter Barcelona University have already

identified a double in increase in breast and prostate cancer from the exposure to

these blue light systems. These phosphor coated blue lights. What's going on?

So these councils are at pace truly disregarding and I'm going to say something about John O'Hagan.

He's a bit laissez-faire when it comes to safety so is ICNIRP ...

I mean some of these people well,

I know what I'd like to do with them because basically I think they've been got at,

but when you've got SCHEER which have totally disregarded

the dangers that Barrie's identified with microwave radiation. I'm telling you these LED streetlights are

pretty risky.

[Interviewer:] Who is SCHEER, Mark?

SCHEER, it's an emerging risks group in Europe. They've actually identified the pulse modulated blue phosphor coated lights as extremely dangerous

and we've still got local central government strategy,

a lot of these people you were talking about the other day, John, what do they call'em, Extinction Rebellion, they want more LEDs, well

[Barrie:] I'm just going to see if I can get a document that will help you.  You carry on talking.

[Mark:] So you've got these regulatory bodies that we pay to protect us telling

Governments and agents, agencies that these are risky.

They're still rolling them out.  We've seen them on the motorways. As Barrie said before about the eyes.

Why do people think I wear these?

[Yeah] It's because I know this causes central nervous system cancers. Kidney cancer. Eye trouble.

Macular degeneration.

We've got children being born today who will be blind by the time they're 25. They won't be able to see.

And it's because the exposure of this type of radiation non ionizing radiation.

The Secretary of State has a duty of care.

He's totally ignoring his duty of care.

That is absolutely unbelievable. I mean that's the plan that we have

is to make sure that we start see these people in a court of law

where we can apply the law, acts of parliament, European laws and all of the law, the constitutional laws that we have

enough hard-fought-for laws so we can apply the law and bring these, what I'm gonna say are criminals, to justice.

[Interviewer:] One thing on the sub gigahertz you mentioned just so people can understand ...

What is sub gigahertz? Just for those people who don't understand

what that means and why is it important in relation to understanding 5G?

[Mark:] It's very important because this is it, you know going back to the deceit industry ...

[Interviewer:] Sub gigahertz is below one gigahertz, right?

[Mark:] Below one gigahertz. [Right.] The sub gig's range I know to be long-range radar. Alright?

So when I found out that this transmitter was operating at 868

I was taken aback because obviously we'd all seen the narrative about these higher frequency

waveforms, you know, the 30 gigahertz etc. And I thought that's quite interesting.

This is a bit of radar. This is a bit of scanning equipment. Alright hadn't actually had the hardware

I hadn't actually seen the hardware. I hadn't read a lot about it, but

then we had the people with the nosebleeds. I started investigating. I started measuring the radiation levels in people's bedrooms.

It's significantly higher levels than what would be legal or lawful and

the Council of Europe 1815 resolution says maximum of 200,

BioInitiative say no more than 30,

and we're measuring a minimum which is in breach of the building code regulations

it's 600 millivolts minimum.

I've measured up to 4,000 in people's bedrooms

where they're bleeding from the nose, suffering all sorts of neurological disorders, etc.

and no one has taken any notice and that's why I stepped up to make him

come up from behind the curtain and

started as Barrie did, and one of my heroes by the way, right. Actually always has been.

For actually speaking out about this absolute human rights crime that we unfortunately

have allowed to go on unchallenged. Well we're here challenging it.

[Interviewer:] When you say "4,000" is it "4,000 megahertz"?

[Mark:] Millivolts. [Millivolts.] Millivolts. The maximum exposure is 200.

That's the Council of Europe 1815 resolution.

That's a direction by the International Courts.

[Interviewer:] Yeah, just for people to understand

what's the difference when you're talking about millivolts and gigahertz?

[Mark:] Well gigahertz is a frequency waveform, millivolts is an energy waveform, an energy band.

[Interviewer:] Right Barry one quick question just on this topic

before we move on to the next part,

I remember I spoke on the phone with you and I mentioned that about 5G

what you were telling me, Mark, about 5G running on the baseline of sub gigahertz

operating on top of the sub gigahertz as a baseline frequency. Were you aware of that?

I remember you said that "Oh, yes, that's a possibility" when I was mentioning about that with you. [Yeah.]

Why would they and and just from your perspective, and then feel free to answer ...

why would they operate 5G on the sub gigahertz as a baseline frequency?

[Barrie:] Why would they?

[Interviewer:] Yeah, I suppose it helps them to reach more areas, doesn't it?

[Mark:] It's the sub gigahertz range is far better for urban environment interrogation.

So if I want to look at the distance through an urban environment

I'll use a sub gig. The higher frequency waveforms as you know are terahertz and light. [Right.]

I just put a bit of cardboard up at that window and it will block.

[Interviewer:] Because it doesn't travel well.

You need the lower frequency to be able to get access through their homes. [Exactly.]

And that's all possible ...

[Mark:] John, this is the lie the industry ...

the industry will tell you we need these transmitters every few meters because

they're going to be in this in the high gigahertz range.

But in point of fact what they want, they want them close to you

because the further they are away the more PD, the more power density, it's got to pump out.

[Yeah.] So they've got to get them close because they want everybody getting cancer. Not just the people who are next to the transmitters.

They want to spread it out.

[Barrie:] Can I read this? [Yeah.]

It's to do with spying.

This is an actual document.

Right. CIA Director David Petraeus, P.e.t.r.a.e.u.s., confirmed

that governments can and will use

wireless smart appliances as spy devices.

Smart meters will track more private information than the GPS devices in our cars and

the US Supreme Court recently declared that

GPS tracking required a warrant.

So what they're what they're saying here for the States is

that you review require a warrant if you're going to track somebody in their car,

but you don't require a warrant to track everybody doing everything in their houses.

It says right here, governments, the CIA and governments will, not "might" but "will" ...

can and will use wireless smart appliances as spy devices.

You're going to be spied on. [Exactly.] And there are up to 15 in your house.

But the thing is legally as well

they are coming in with them and

putting them down without asking you. Yeah, they don't need your permission.

They're coming in, in some cases, because if it's a council house you have no say

the council sign it off.

So they are coming in saying

This is the equipment. We're putting it in. You cannot stop us.

Legally you cannot stop us.

And we're going to microwave you and your house and you cannot stop us legally.

It's what they're saying.

[Mark:] With what we now know to be a class 1 cancer causing radiation.

[Barrie:] Yeah, absolutely, and they're going to spy on

every word that is said in the house. They'll know exactly where you are.

And you look at the departments that are going to look into this that will have access to this.

Forget organized crime for a moment because it's all Wi-Fi and all you need is

a car parked out the front to pick up everything to hack it.

All you need is, eh, because it's Wi-Fi

you see Smart meters can be fitted with fiber optic cable.

There's no reason in fact, it would be better,

[Mark:] More secure for us.

[Barrie:] More secure, less interference

and it would carry more data.

You could have fiber optic cable but they're choosing the most lethal weapon

even the Russian government wrote to us and says do not use

2.4 gigahertz. It is too dangerous.

But they are coming into your house. You cannot stop them.

They are going to put it in and there is nothing you can do about it,

and it's like anybody outside, organized crime, anybody

because it's Wi-Fi, 30 meters easily, truck or directly. They can just pick it up

hack into your system. [See if you're home.] See if you're home.

They can see what room you're in, they can see what you're watching.

They can see how you're dressed because the televisions now ... [They can see your watch.]

See your watch. The televisions are already built with little cameras in

In so when you play games or not anything they can watch you

So your tellies have cameras in. You've got listening devices all over.

Who knows what's on the chips.

So anybody can park outside anybody's house and pick up

Every single thing that is said done they can watch

what's going on

[Mark:] Absolutely

[Barrie:] and that the council's will come in and

If you've got a lodger, they'll say hang on a minute, you know

You said you can't do this. Well, you said you can do this and you know, we're watching you.

For instance. If you say I live here alone and a loo flushes and

The tap runs or the telly goes on at the same time. They'll know there's more than one person in. [Yeah]

It is the absurd ... you may as well have

big cameras all over your house and have

Everybody watching but it says here they can and will spy.[Yeah]

[Mark:] You would be better off with a camera, Barrie, because it wouldn't be as damaged to your health. [Yeah]

[Interviewer:] The number one thing, Barrie, being used to discredit Mark is this situation

regarding the argument of the sub sub gigahertz and thing about they've gone they've measured

the 5G, they've said okay 5G it's below 1 gigahertz.

But if they're using less than 1 gigahertz as the baseline

frequency and they're saying it's not 5G because it's below 1 gigahertz

they're putting people up there just say, oh, you know people don't have to worry

and so, can you see how that, um ...

Basically, my definition of 5G is "fifth-generation". [Yeah]

So although this stuff is still operating you can ...

a spectrometer would tell you the gigahertz would it? [Oh yeah]

So even if it's below 1 gigahertz the spectrometer [Yeah]

According to, right, what we've been saying if it's sub gigahertz and they can still scan and say its not 5G

But it is 5G ... do you know what I mean? [Oh yes]

Because even though they're using [Well one of the ...] this is the problem Marc's got with them at moment

[Mark] One of the ... One of the technical parameters ...

One of the technical parameters for 5G as Barrie mentioned before is ...

densification. Now densification means "more". That's all it is "more", "more of", "more of". Now

the European Union have actually stated and Ofcom that 5G ... one of it's technical parameters is densification.

Densification.  So doesn't matter if it operates 2G, 3G, 4G.

It's 5G as long as there's a lot more of it.

Now what we haven't Gateshead is not only just densification -- 31,875 transmitters on each single light,

which is a technical parameter of 5G. It's specifically operates in the sub gigahertz

range 868 is specific for autonomous vehicles. The fact that it's got that dielectric lens

which is the absolute technical parameter of the collimated signal ... you can only get a collimated signal

either by a phased array signal or by that collimator. That collimator is specific to 5G so I have the

specification of backhauling, densification, the emission the part of the spectrum,

and the dielectric lens. Four (4) specific parts of 5G from the technical parameters.

I know any one of them, as Barrie said before, off IG by the way,

any one of them ... we have 4 in Gateshead, we have some

organisation who the industry have now using, are still using

to discredit me and discredit the fact that we have 5G. And stating that 5G isn't here yet.

As we've heard from Barrie and I will actually support

5Gs been here for a very many years. I know the 5G rollout started in Gateshead in 2011.

It's not come in 2020-2021, it is here today, fact.

So it was misinformation and it was used by the industry specifically

to discredit me and also to dissuade people from

understanding that 5G is here. It's actually already here.

They rolled it out as part of the smart meter rollout,

the RURT rollout, smart -- anything with smart, it's all integrated.

And 5G, the 5G on those antennas is, as we showed in that document before from Harvard Technology,

it's the spy on every device in your home and on you.

[Interviewer:] Do you gentlemen have a question for each other? How about starting with Barrie to Mark?

[Barrie:] No, um, I mean, it's what I can't understand is

it is published. I've published it. I've published it from my own research.

The World Health Organization published it

before the John Stonehouse before he was dismissed for publishing the truth.

The European Academy for Environmental Medicine have published it.

We have all published it and there is the proof. That's in three (3) generations

only one in eight children can expect to be born healthy. [Yeah] Because this goes straight for the reproductive organs.

So we know in 60 years a child born today

by the time that child reaches 60-70 years old

You can only expect 1 in 8 children to be born healthy. It is published in a scientific journal

that in the animal kingdom

We expect to lose most species in 5 generations.

So I can't understand it. There are better ways of reducing

populations than killing people.

Much better ways.

So I can't understand

why the people behind this and this goes back to 1999 when ...

then it was just over 300 companies,

big companies, the big powerful ones got together

and said we will call ourselves

Wi-Fi basically, and we will go everywhere

Wi-Fi. That was 1999 and everything will be Wi-Fi'd.

"Wireless" in other words.

The three hundred and whatever-it-was companies have now grown

to around five hundred, which includes all your big computer companies, the BBC, your big ...

[Interviewer:] The BBC is not saying anything about the dangerous effects of 5G.

[Barrie:] The big media moguls ...

you've got 500 of the most powerful countries in the world.

And what I would like or what I can't understand is

if you or I did this if we went around killing this number of people, and it's murder

[Mark:] Murder.

[Barrie:] It's murder. [Absolutely.]

If I went around with anything and caused the death of this number of people

I would be taken to courts for genocide.

[Mark:] Well Barrie, I'll just show you this picture. [It would be genocide.] I'll put it on the camera first.

This was a child in the Gateshead area and his father sitting here watching this.

This is a child who suffers as you know, what microwave radiation causes.

This was from the 5G in Gateshead.

This is what we have to put up with now as we posted these images up.

This is when we got all the attention and all the negative attention from individuals whether it be mistaken or other

about we not having 5G. That was a total falsehood.

It was a fabrication. Whether they where duped, they should not because obviously one of them was a so-called expert.

Most certainly he wasn't because what he wrote was absolutely incorrect.

But this is what we suffer and today we still have people discrediting the fact that we have 5G in the  area.

It is absolutely deplorable. This image

"Death rate at 50-year high" as Barrie said before -- murder.

[Barrie:] That is what it is.

[Mark:] That's what's happening today in the west

from technologies that have been untested, unproven and the recent work I've been doing with the U.S.

U.S. government people, right, where Congress have now stated quite clearly

there is no research at all to show that this technology is safe.

The industry have admitted, the FCC have admitted, the FDA have all admitted, in their own admission

there is no safety or research data to show 5G is safe. That means it's in breach

the Nuremberg Code and is most certainly an indictable crime.

That is a crime.

That's assault. Police officers came to my home after seeing this image on Facebook.

When I showed them the documentary scientific evidence to show that what was causing that

had been fitted by a local authority

they had been told not to take any scientific documentary evidence from me.

That then ended up with a council then running a

number of cases against me to get me to court to try and discredit me as these so-called

experts had tried to and failed. Because obviously on the street, on the streets

what/where we have, we've got people bleeding from the nose, we've got no birds,

they've killed off all the flying insects, as Barrie mentioned before,

so it's quite self evident.

[Interviewer:] I've been up to Gateshead so I can confirm that I was ... yeah

[Mark:] No birds, no insects, everything has died.

And we've got children and we've got children bleeding from the nose and

people who stand up and make false

allegations against me and others for speaking out.

Should hold their heads in shame ... absolutely shameful.

[Barrie:] But it's murder. It is industrial

murder, [yeah] which is

with the compliance of governments.

[Interviewer:] Mark, do you have a question for Barrie?

[Mark:] I don't. I'd just like to congratulate Barrie. Barrie's works, you know, legion.

Historic. A very brave man.

The first one in the fray and I just want to shake his hand.

[Barrie:] No, it's my pleasure. It's my pleasure.

[Interviewer:] Have you heard about Mark before? Before I ... [oh yeah]

Okay. All right. What have you heard when you, you know ...? About the Gateshead situation.

[Barrie] He's put his head above the parapet

taking risks as we do.

Death threats, threatens with courts.

You name it we have it and but somebody's ... [somebody's got to, yeah] and

this gentleman here. I don't know if you've brought this out straight. Jerry Flynn, Captain.

[Mark:] Yes. Yes, I know Jerry Flynn, yeah, yeah.

[Barrie:] Captain Jerry Flynn, um, I've worked with him for years. [yeah]

Known him for years and he's published

all of the government ...

He's published all of the ... a bit like, um,

the whistleblowers ["Hidden Dangers by Jerry G. Flynn"] Captain Jerry Flynn, [Captain J.G. Flynn]

about microwave warfare. And he's published it all.

[Interviewer:] Did you wanna tell Barrie briefly about "Save Us Now"?

[Mark:] Well, that's what, what actually happened, we took this to all political parties,

believe that, you know, somebody would do something because this in, mistakenly,

you know people ... you know you write your local MP, you write your local councillor.

All we got was no, either no feedback ...

What we decided to do was to actually set up our own political movement

so it would generate people's attention towards this particular

outrageous crime that was being committed upon them in secret. We started to do that.

The whole thing started to grow quite a bit. There's a lot of, there's a lot of very

very interesting things happening.

But the most important thing, Gateshead council pushed me and there were number of code

cases where I had to defend myself.

I've defended myself on OG and with one case in particular

the judge stated that the 5G risk must be debated.

Obviously, they're not debating it because as I said in the early doors and as Barrie

will attest, these people need to be in prison.

So consequently they are like criminals running away, hiding the evidence. Basically like

you know, Hillsborough, Jimmy Savile, all that.

Unfortunately, we don't have 20 or 30 years to try and chase them down.

So what we are now doing

we're raising the financial support

right, through a CrowdJustice

platform it'll go live next week and

that's so that we can raise the necessary resources so we can start taking them to court.

So we can go on the offensive instead of me being attacked

falsely, false allegations made against me,

I can actually then take this into the court. Because what the legal team have said

it's the first time they've had an expert stand up in a court and let them try and bring the experts to tell

the court that what I'm saying is incorrect. Because unfortunately

the science supports what Barrie and I are saying. That is a matter of fact. It is incontrovertible.

We need to see these criminals in a court and we need as many people to get involved,

get skin in the game, get involved and actually wake up. Wake up. Your life depends on it. [Right.]

[Interviewer:] Yeah, great. Okay, any last words gentlemen?

[Barrie:] I think the priority is not

to get it into your schools.

That is the first priority because it attacks the immune system. It attacks the reproductive system of the girls.

And the boys, but the girls mostly.

The other thing we have not touched on and I'm sure the people putting it at this

end out have no idea, are the pulse frequencies. Now when I was

debriefing spies in the Cold War

we had the Soviets

ok, captured KGB spies and the Americans.

I made a list of

30-40 different frequencies that could cause,

pulse frequencies that could cause 50-60 neurological and physiological

harms to people, which included cancer and death.

Today's list is in excess of

750 pulse frequencies.

A professor, I always get his name confused with the university, but there's a professor

who has shown that the pulse frequencies

penetrate the skull as they would [Yep] being microwaves and actually do go right into the brain.

And there is a another professor that has shown they do in fact alter the programming of the brain.

There's nothing new there. The first paper on this was written in 64 BC by Ptolemy.

Who used radiation behind a heated-up metal and various minerals

behind a wooden wheel, solid wheel and he drilled holes.

And he just spun the wheel and

you got the pulses coming through to the eyes.

64 BC and it was a party game then although he was a serious scientist. He was a Greek living in Egypt.

And he found that certain frequencies would cause epileptic fits.

Photoelectric epilepsy. Other frequencies would make people feel sick, collapse, go mad.

And it was a party game.

It's still being used today. There are now a list of

750ish frequencies.

They have absolutely no idea

of the pulse frequencies they are putting in. Because when you start mixing these waves

[crosswaves] you get constructive interference and

modulations and pulses. They have no idea what pulses they are putting in. And

the most common, and I won't go into the brain anatomy, the most common symptoms,

and you compare this with the behavior now of children and this is published, the most common

symptoms for pulses going into the brain

are the similar effects of

morphine, marijuana. Try stopping addicts taking those and see what happens.

Morphine/marijuana hunger and not not ordinary hunger -- you smash a shop window to get food hunger.

Hopelessness, which manifests itself in children as suicide -- very very common symptom.

Aggression. With a certain pulse frequency that I won't put on air,

with aggression if it's a certain pulse frequency it manifests itself in men as sexual aggression.

There's another pulse frequency that will collapse the bowel, collapse the lungs,

change the eyes structure,

they would do everything. But hallucinations is common, and

what I call the same symptoms as lead arsenate poisoning. In other words

you really can't be bothered to get out of bed

and if there was a million pounds on the floor, you'd just leave it there.

And now look at the children.

Addicted to phones. In fact, we've got cases of children

smashing their parents with their fists in the face who try and take their ...

Violence, suicides,

aggressive behavior. Look at what is being manifested now.

[Interviewer:] One quick thing also and I heard you mention once, Barrie.

A lot of these leaders of countries are blackmailed by the telecommunications industry

where they've signed off on something and the telecommunication

if they say "oh, we want all this stuff removed -- all the 5G removed"

the telecommunications, in this small print, they can say

"Okay, you've got to continue to pay us what ..." [Oh absolutely] "what we lost out."

[Barrie:] Yeah, absolutely. What the industry do is they go in and they tend to target ...

I've made a list of something like 24 people who are actually controlling

42% of the planet.

With the, if you don't get too warm in six minutes

it is deemed safe for a lifetime whole body exposure.

Around 20, just over 20 people. And the safety level in this country and the ...

Canada, Australia, New Zealand's, lots of Europe ...

the safety level is if you do not feel too warm in six minutes

it is deemed safe for whole body lifetime exposure from the womb, forever,

which is absolutely ... and coming back, they tend to target one or two people in the country,

no more, to say this is deemed safe. Our experiments show it is safe.

There are radio waves, we've had radio waves forever, sign here.

And I've been to one country, Malta,

where I spoke to the government in Malta and when ...

and I said "look, forget the government."

"They don't have degrees in nuclear and atomic physics, and

wouldn't know one end of, generally, a microwave from the other."

Who are they asking? Ministers.

Who were they asking? And then you start going up the pyramid and you'll find that in most countries

there's 1 or 2 or 3 people. In Malta, it was one (1).

They went for one (1) person and he said "Yes."

"Thank you very much. Where's my salary?" and

the country then, and this in the contract, if you take them down

you have to pay the industry the

money, they would have got

had it been left up and expanded and expanded and expanded.

And in this country you cannot take them down.

They actually, as the moment they go up, which comes back to your MPs,

the moment they go up and people don't know this, they come under the Official Secrets Act.

Because you get a transmitter go up and then the Secret Services go

"Thank you very much we could use that there." Bonk, and then other departments

government, bonk, bonk, bonk, bonk, bonk, and it grows like Meccano in Lego and

they say "that comes under the Official Secrets Act".

[Interviewer:] They are being disguised as trees.

[Barrie:] and there's nothing you did so

there, once it's up, it's under the Official Secrets Act.

MPs sign the Official Secrets Act. They cannot do anything to take them down.

[Right.] In fact it's illegal for the MPs ...[they can go to jail for it]

[Interviewer:] So the person who owns the land who signed off on that mast

can then have legal actions against him [yeah]

using that document ... what was it? "The Working Employers ..." ? [Yeah]

Do you know what it's called again, Barrie?

[Barrie:] Yeah, it came from health and safety.

[Interviewer:] Yeah, the bank put it up on the YouTube.

Yeah, to sue the person who's signed off ...

[Mark:] The bankers are gonna sue them. The bankers who lend money to build the equipment,

the assets on that land, they're going to come back and take their farms.

Because obviously the banks sue them, right,

and then they come and take them out for free.

So any farmer putting this equipment on his land you're going to lose your farm.

[Barrie:] What the industry have done, when you sign now in this country this,

and I'm not trained in law this is how I understand it from talking to legal people,

when you sign it then it's either the school principal or the school governor

that is now legally responsible or the factory owner or the council, but you'll find

I think, councillors and MPs are immune from prosecution.

Unless, and somebody said this to me, [you refer to] unless you

bring a civil charge against them using their christian name, John Smith.

You signed for this under the civil law. You have caused my daughter to die. I am taking you to court.

Then they don't have their immunity.

[Mark:] What you can do, Barrie, you can actually sue them under, it's a law.

All these public officials have what's called a "Duty of Care" law. [Yeah]

Alright, and then if then they're in misfeasance.

Misfeasance in a public office [yeah] can carry with it a life sentence. [Yeah]

What we have, and that's what we're about. We're actually

organizing now to get these in cuffers and x. Obviously the Gateshead Council thing it's absolutely outrageous what happened there.

[Barrie:] Yeah, but let's just be absolutely sure.

They are murdering children.

[Yeah, yeah] Causing the miscarriages and suffering of the mothers. It is industrial murder [murder]

by stealth. [Yeah] Simple as that. And the people signing don't actually know what they're signing.

But it is genocide and these people are guilty of

genocide and I would like to see the World Court

take them to trial.

[Mark:] Well, Barrie, that's what we're trying to do. We're going to start off, like I said, we've got this

5G CrowdJustice group. [Yeah] What I'll do, John will get the email

send it to Barrie.  Barrie can send it around all of his contacts. [Yeah]

[Interviewer:] Oh Barrie, are you on the internet? [I don't have a computer.]

I can post Barrie something.

[Mark:] Well, obviously if Barrie approves it.

We've gotta take these criminals into the legal

justice system because the law's been broken and that's what we've got to do.

[Barrie:] You've only got to get one.

You've only got it one headmaster or one school governor. [Yeah, yeah] One. You are responsible for that

those deaths. You are now going to jail for life with ... it'll

come out of the country fast enough. [Yeah]

[Mark:] They put a 5G mast up in the U.S. and there is four (4) children

in that school who just developed cancer in that one classroom.

[Interviewer:] That's right. It's on my website.

[Barrie:] The traffic is going to be heavy going back.

[Interviewer:] Thank you gentlemen.